Igalia Chats
Igalia Chats is a podcast hosted by Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer. Each episode covers topics related to the Web, open standards, open source software, and the health of software ecosystems. The hosts also discuss the latest developments in browser features and other web platform innovations.
Episodios
Inaccessible Math: Threat Level Midnight
Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Microsoft's Clint Covington and Peter Wu about the many integrations of Math, the role MathML and some amazing statistics.
Mentioned Links
Meet Murray Sargent, the quiet force behind accessible math
Peter's Talk
Eric's W3C Talk on Sponsorship and MathML
The Adventure of Servo DevTools
Eric Meyer and Ujjwal Sharma chat with colleagues and Servo team members Rakhi Sharma and Eri
Mentioned Links
servo.org
Tauri collaboration
Outreachy
RDP
Servo using Firefox DevTools Client
Episode 100: Web Standards at the Web Engines Hackfest
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with W3C interim CEO Dominique Hazael-Massieux about Web Standards, the W3C, the Web Engines Hackfest and the larger web ecosystem
Mentioned Links
Is this the Web?
Three Standards Bodies Walk In to a Bar
Web Engines Hackfest
Is This the Web?
Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Dan Appelquist of Samsung and the W3C AB about how we define the web, and why it matters.
Mentioned Links
Dan's Blog Post
The XSLT Episode
Ethical Web Principles
W3C RECs
Three Standards Bodies Walk In to a Bar
Brian Kardell, Eric Meyer and Ujjwal Sharma discuss ECMA, W3C, and WHATWG — how they work, how they differ, and how they change over time. Standards, politics, budgets, and browser reality, all in one quick episode.
Mentioned Links
W3C
WHWATWG
ECMA
History of the Web: Microsofties (at BlinkOn 21)
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Microsoft's Patrick Brosset continue our History of the Web series with a panel discussion at BlinkOn 21 with people who witnessed the transition from IE to the modern Chromium-based Edge era
Mentioned Links
video version
History of the Web playlist
npmx : The People‑Powered Package Index
Brian Kardell and Ujjwal Sharma chat with Daniel Roe and Matias 'Patak' Capeletto of npmx about the project, the community and Open Source
Mentioned Links
npmx.dev
Servo & the BCD features Pokédex
Brian and Eric talk with Dietrich Ayala about the ever‑expanding Pokédex we call the Web Platform — 15,000 BCD keys, 1,100 Web Features, and a growth rate that makes “catching up” feel like chasing a legendary.
Mentioned Links
Servo Baseline Readiness
Web-Features Baseline
metafluff.com
The Clock Thickens: Temporal Advances to Stage 4
Brian and Eric chat with Igalia's Philip Chimento, Nicolò Ribaudo and Bloomberg's Jason Williams about JavaScript’s new Temporal API.
Mentioned Links
MDN Documentation
2021 Temporal Episode
Real World CSS: Always Interesting, Occasionally Hilarious
A chat with Bart Veneman of Project Wallace about the study of CSS on the Web
Mentioned Links
Project Wallace
The CSS Selection - 2026 Edition
Interop 2026
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat about the launch of Interop 2026
Mentioned Links
Interop 2026 Dashboard
Interop 2025 Dashboard
Dave Rupert's Website (View Transition example)
Creative Web Design
Igalia's Eric Meyer and Ujjwal Sharma chat with designer, CSS developer, and illustrator Lynn Fisher
Mentioned Links
lynnandtonic.com
Nestflix
Dress David Rose
Airport Codes
Open Source, Open Hearts
US Flags [dot] Design
Holywood A
What we're looking forward to...
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat about what they're interested in and looking forward to in 2026 and beyond
Mentioned Links
Igalia Chats Steam Episode
Igalia Chats Headings Episode
Signals in the Streams
Eric and Brian talk with their colleague Thibault Saunier about Igalia's multimedia work with GStreamer
Mentioned Links
GStreamer
Gravitational waves discovery
Open Source FEX Appeal: Inside Igalia's work on Steam devices
Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with colleague Dhruv Mark Collins to discuss Igalia's work with Valve on the Steam devices!
Mentioned Links
Helping Valve to Power Up Steam Devices
Steam Powered Open Source (Igalia Chats May 2023)
Web Backstories: Shadow DOM
Eric Meyer and Brian Kardell chat with Jay Hoffmann and Jeremy Keith about Shadow DOM's backstory and long origins
Mentioned Links
Component Model Use Cases
Shadow tree encapsulation theory
The History of the Web
XBL2: First Thoughts and Use Cases
'Web Components&apos
Accessibility and the Free Labor Funnel
Brian and Eric chat with their colleagues Alice Boxhall and Valerie Young about the challenges facing standards and accessibility.
Mentioned Links
A threat model for accessibility on the web
Accessibility is a Hydra
The Charm of JavaScript: Boom Mics and Clown Shoes
Mat 'Wilto' Marquis joins Igalia Chats to get weird and talk about JavaScript, boxing, charity and platform permanence.
Mentioned Links
JavaScript for Everyone course
Mat's Website
Mat on Mastodon
Mat on Bluesky
XKCD Workflow
XKCD The Meetup
The State of The State of Surveys
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Sacha Greif about the various popular 'State of' surveys he organizes
Mentioned Links
State of CSS 2025 Results
State of JS 2025
State of HTML 2025
Devographics (& more surveys)
Wishes, Signals, and the Shape of Standards
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with the W3C's Dominique Hazaël-Massieux about ways that we try to involve developers and developer input into standards
Mentioned Links
Eric's post about XSLT drama
Recent episode on XSLT drama
Interop 2025 Dashboard
Interop Project / Call
Wingo on Wasm
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with their colleague Andy Wingo about Web Assembly
Mentioned Links
WebAssembly: Yes, but for What?
Wasm-Core Standard
When Is WebAssembly Going to Get DOM Support?
RIP XSLT?
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Liam Quin about a recent issue in WHATWG regarding the removal of XSLT
Mentioned Links
house.gov
Blink Principles of Web Compatibility
Microsoft Patent Issue
NIST XSL Tool
XSLT in Rust
SaxonJS
TC39 Episode 109: The Proposal Awakens
Brian and Eric talk to their TC39 representative colleagues Nic and Ujjwal about TC39 in general, and the most recent meeting.
Mentioned Links
Agenda with proposal links
Mozilla amount element explainer
Standards, Inc: Inside the new, old organization with Seth Dobbs
Brian and Eric sit down to chat with W3C's new CEO Seth Dobbs about the W3C and standards
Mentioned Links
w3.org
Get Involved
Vision Announcement
W3C's 2025-2028 Strategic Objectives Initiatives
W3C Team's AI & the Web Impact Anaylysis
Get Down With the WebKit
Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Igalia's Alejandro (Alex) Garcia about the WebKit project and Igalia's WPE port.
Mentioned Links
webkit.org
wpewebkit.org
Episode 2: WebKit, SVG and WPE
Show Me The Monetization
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat about the past, present and future of funding and 'micropayments'.
Mentioned Links
Micropayments History
Web Bucks
Shop Talk Episode 672
Offerwall
W3C CG Draft
Supertab
What Even is a Verifiable Credential?
Eric and Brian chat with Dmitri Zagidulin and Juan Caballero of the W3C's Verifiable Credentials Working Group to learn about Verifiable Credentials
Mentioned Links
Verifiable Credentials Use Cases
arcblock
Distributed Identity Foundation
CSS Proposals and Debates
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer discuss what's caught their eye in CSS of late...
Mentioned Links
Hairline proposal
Eric's blog post
Item Flow, Part 1: A new unified concept for layout
CSS Custom Functions
CSS fragment references in HTML proposal
Unshipping: How (and when) to break web features
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Google's Rick Byers about Blink's Principles of Web Compatibility and willingness to change and even unship features.
Mentioned Links
Blink Principles of Web Compatibility
Are 'CSS Carousels' accessible?
ShopTalk Show Episode 664
Adpocalypse Now?
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer discuss the recent US courts antitrust decision regarding advertising.
Mentioned Links
Ruling
Open Web Docs
Eric and Brian chat with Estelle Weyl and Will Bamberg of Open Web Docs.
Mentioned Links
openwebdocs.org
Babel
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Babel core maintainer Nicolò Ribaudo about the project's past, present and future.
Mentioned Links
babeljs.io
History of the Web: Chris Lilley
Igalia's Brian Kardell chats with Chris Lilley, Technical Director at the W3C, about his long history with the Web and the W3C, ranging from line-mode browsers to CSS to SVG and more.
Mentioned Links
Line-mode browser emulation
Gopher (protocol)
NCSA Mosaic
Introduction to HTML 3.0
What Happens If They Sell Chrome?
Eric and Brian Chat with Chris Coyier about his recent post "Google Being Forced To Sell Chrome is Not Good for the Web".
Mentioned Links
Google Being Forced To Sell Chrome is Not Good for the Web
Igalia Chats: The Google Antitrust Ruling: Proposed Remedies
Shop Talk Show Podcast
Mozilla Changes
Brian and Eric talk about community backlash towards Mozilla after Firefox’s Terms of Use updates and other recent changes
Mentioned Links
Firefox Privacy Notice
Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
Data and Firefox Suggest (not new)
Interop 2025
Eric and Brian discuss the announcement of Interop 2025
RISCy Business
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer learn about RISCV and LLVM their compilers colleague Alex Bradbury
2025 Web Wishes
Brian and Eric discuss listeners' answers to our question 'What are your wishes for the web platform in 2025', and share their own.
Mentioned Links
A Half Built Garden, by Ruthanna Emrys
CSS Anchor Positioning
Temporal API
CSS Exclusions
CSS Custom Media Queries
The Google Antitrust Ruling: Proposed Remedies
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Open Web Advocacy's Alex Moore about the Google Antitrust case in the US and proposed remedies.
Mentioned Links
Open Web Advocacy
Welcome to Google’s nightmare: US reveals plan to destroy search monopoly
U.S. and Plaintiff States v. Google LLC [2020]
Magic Piles of Money
Brian and Eric chat with Robin Bender Ginn, the Executive Director of the OpenJS Foundation, about open source, funding and foundations.
Mentioned Links
‘Magic Piles of Money’ slideshow
The OpenJS Foundation
The Linux Foundation
Web Predictions from 2014
Brian chats with Robin Berjon, looking back at a piece he wrote in 2014, predicting what the web would be like in 2024
Mentioned Links
Web 2024
After 5
Fellowships of the Contributors 2024
Eric and Brian recap and discuss the big annual events geared around the Blink and WebKit engine projects, BlinkOn 19 and the WebKit Contributors Meeting.
Mentioned Links
BlinkOn 19 Playlist
WebKit Contributors (minutes not yet posted)
History of the Web - Coralie Mercier
Igalia's Brian Kardell chats with the Head of W3C Marketing & Communications, Coralie Mercier about the her history and relationship with the Web and the W3C.
TPAC 2024
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer talk about their recent trip to W3C's TPAC 2024
Mentioned Links
W3C TPAC
TPAC Breakouts
Eric's W3C Talk from a few years back
Stephanie Stimac
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with colleague Stephanie Stimac about web browsers, engines, funding and the health of the Web Ecosystem
The Coming Adpocalypse
Prompted by recent US court rulings, Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat about court cases worldwide that could radically change how the web ecosystem is funded.
Mentioned Links
Google loses DOJ’s big monopoly trial over search business
All the possible ways to destroy Google’s monopoly in search
Webrise
Novel JavaScript Engines: Porffor
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Oliver Medhurst (CanadaHonk) about their novel AOT JavaScript Engine, Porffor.
Mentioned Links
Porffor
Javy
Test262.fyi
Hermes
Social Responsibility at Igalia
Eric and Brian talk to colleague Paulo Matos about how Igalia — a flat, worker owned business — deals with Corporate Social Responsibility, what we do, and why we believe it is interesting.
Mentioned Links
Igalia’s Social Responsibility
Helping Three Super Heroes Race in the New York City Marathon
Making the World a Be
Polyfills, Trust and Progress
Eric Meyer and Brian Kardell chat about the history and evolution of polyfills and somehow related efforts in the wake of recent events surrounding the transfer of ownership of the polyfill.io domain
CSS Working Group Face To Face Live!
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chatted with seven different participants at the CSS Working Group’s face to face meeting at Igalia headquarters — as it happened.
Rewilding the Internet
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Robin Berjon about a piece he recently co-authored with Maria Farrell titled 'We Need To Rewild The Internet' about how the internet has become unhealthy and extractive, and how we can revitalize it using lessons learned by ecologists.
Mentioned Links
Web Ecosystem Health Playlist
Stone Cold Masonry
Brian and Eric talk with Google's Rachel Andrew about the CSS Grid Level 3 feature we've all been debating, often called Masonry
Mentioned Links
Help us invent CSS Grid Level 3, aka “Masonry” layout
An alternative proposal for CSS masonry
CSS Grid Layout Module Level 3 (Editor’s Draft, 1 November 2023)
Tackling The Web's Oldest Problem
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with GitHub's Keith Cirkel about new work that GitHub is spearheading to help solve what might just be the Web's oldest problem: Headings.
Mentioned Links
Intent to Prototype: headingstart attribute.
Mu-An Chiou
Clay Miller
GitHub
Color Us Captivated!
Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with fellow Igalian Melissa Wen about layers and layers of things around colors.
Getting Started in Standards
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Mozillan and HTML editor Simon Pieters, and fellow Igalian/engine contributor Luke Warlow about getting started in web standards.
Mailbag!
Eric and Brian open up the viewer mailbag to talk about recent AI and Accessibility posts, memory-safe browsers, backwards compatibility and platform regrets, dealing with tech debt, and more
The Interop Project - Prioritization Stew
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat about the Interop Project and the complexities of organizing it.
CSS Working Group Face-to-Face Recap
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer recap the recent CSS Working Group Face-to-Face meetings.
A Lighter Shade of DOM
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Miriam Suzanne about the Shadow DOM, use cases, and 'open styling' problems
Browser Politics and You
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Jake Archibald and Surma about their new show and browser politics.
2023 Year in Review
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Chrome DevRel Bramus Van Damme, reviewing the year of change in the Web Platform.
The Struggle to Keep Up with Web Tech
Eric Meyer and Brian Kardell talk about the experience of discovering a web feature that’s been around for a while but nobody told you about it, the challenge of keeping up with new web platform features when there’s so much happening, and their tips for ways to stay as up to date as you can.
Web Components are Having a Moment
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat about Web Components and the recent flurry of posts about them.
The Power of CSS
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Roma Komarov about CSS experiments and the power of CSS
Tech Unions and Co-Ops
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with colleague Valerie Young about Co-Ops
Web History Part VI
Nicole Sullivan, Product Manager for Web UI on Chrome is interviewed by Brian Kardell, Developer Advocate at Igalia, in Part 6 of our History of the Web series designed to tell the story of the web from the people who helped build, shape, and promote it
Web Applications 1.0
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer look back on things developing in WHATWG specs in 2004 and chat about what we've gotten and what remains outstanding.
Polypane
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Kilian Valkhof about his Chromium-based web development app Polypane.
Undersea Infrastructure
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with CNET Principal writer Stephen Shankland about the undersea cables that help power the internet
11ty, Open Source and Funding
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with 11ty creator Zach Leatherman about the project's shift from hobby work to a sponsor-funded full-time job and back again to hobby work, and his evolving thoughts on open source and how to support it.
First Person Scrollers
Igalia's Eric Meyer and Brian Kardell chat with Chromium Layout engineer Ian Kilpatrick about performance
The Novel Engines: Ladybird (Web Ecosystem Health Part XI)
Igalia's Eric Meyer and Brian Kardell chat with Andreas Kling about Ladybird and developing a new, novel browser engine
The Novel Engines: Servo (Web Ecosystem Health Part X)
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with their colleague Martin Robinson about the recently rejuvenated Servo project.
Baseline
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat about the new Baseline effort announced at Google IO
Steam Powered Open Source
Eric Meyer and Brian Kardell sit down to chat with fellow Igalians Samuel Iglesias and Clayton Craft about the Steam Deck and interesting work that Igalia does to power it.
Mega Safari Release
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat about the mega packed 16.4 Safari release
Interop 2023
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Google's Philip Jägenstedt about Interop 2023
The Debates
Igalia's Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat about the stories and debates that capture our attention
Web Ecosystem Health Part IX: economics
Igalia chats/Shop Talk crossover - Brian Kardell and Eric Meyer chat with Chris Coyier and Dave Rupert from the Shop Talk Show about the economics of browsers and engines
MathML-Core Release
Igalia's Brian Kardell chats with Rick Byers, Ian Kilpatrick and Neil Soiffer as Chrome 109 releases support for MathML-Core
